Interview with Mike Jeffreys - Radio 2UE – Climate Change – Thursday, September 17, 2015


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Macdonald -    Well how many parents and grandparents have had their children come home from school and say Mum and Dad you’ve got to turn off that light otherwise you’re going to destroy the world.  And that to me suggests that at school they are being inculcated I might say with this extreme view of climate change and how it’s caused.

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Macdonald -    I’m a politician, I have a political theory of course and that is that the Teachers Union run the Labor Party Union line that Australia’s 1.2% emissions of the world carbon output is causing climate change

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Macdonald -    That was the point of my speech today in the Senate, I said it 3 times at the beginning of my speech and 15 times during my speech, on the basis that you’ve got to say things 20 times before anyone hears. In all the climate change debate, not even going into the technical question on which I know there’s debate and some won’t accept this that its man’s emissions that is causing climate change but without even going there, even accepting that that’s correct, then Australia is emitting less than 1.2% of the emissions is making absolutely no difference to the changing climate of the world. By reducing our emissions by 5% as both my Party and the Labor Party have agreed to do by 2020, or even if you take that to 50%, that reduction will be such an infinitesimal reduction in the world’s emissions of carbon that it simply cannot make any difference whatsoever to the world environment.

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Macdonald -    Curiously I made a speech along these lines today and I’ve just come from a meeting with the Foreign Affairs Committee of the Chinese People’s Congress and I’d asked them these questions – 70% of their electricity comes from coal, they’re encouraging additional use of coal particularly in their eastern parts and encouraging Australian coal. There has been some fall in coal use in China they told me, but only because the economy had slowed and they’re quite open about using coal because it is the cheapest and the best way to get power to a huge nation, with a huge number of people like China.  The Indian position is of course is the same as we know. I don’t blame them for it, I think they’re entitled to enjoy the standard of living we have in Australia and they can only do that if they can get power and energy at a reasonable price and coal provides that.

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Macdonald -    You’re right about it being a faith, it’s almost like a religion to those who have a view.

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Macdonald -    Yes well you’re exactly right it is a guilt complex that they’re trying to assuage but look I try to keep it down to the simple arguments and even if the argument that man’s emissions of carbon is causing climate change, even if you accept that (and I don’t necessarily) but even if you accept that, Australia emitting less than 1.2% of the world’s emissions. Whatever we do will not make one iota of difference.  Now if China, India, Russia, America, the EU, if they all stopped their emissions tomorrow well then so should Australia but that’s unlikely to happen. It will never happen and trying to destroy the Australian economy by making it more expensive for us to live and have manufacturing jobs exported overseas is just absolutely crazy. I simply cannot understand supposedly intelligent people in the Labor and Greens political Party having this blind faith in that religion.

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Macdonald -    Yes exactly and look it is just a nonsense argument and it needs a dose of realism and what I’m pleading for. What I’m trying to emphasise to people, and forget about your view on what’s causing it, is that Australia emits less than 1.2%.

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Macdonald -    Sure if you have that religion, when everybody else does it we should too, but to suggest that Australia should lead the world by reducing its emissions by 10% or 20% is just such a ludicrous argument. I can’t believe that supposedly intelligent people put forward that proposition. 

 

But on the question of power and as the Chinese told us today, they are increasing their nuclear power because they see it as a reliable way to get power that eventually will be as cheap as coal. That is to go the nuclear path and China’s doing that. They hope to increase their current use of about 4% to about 9% over the next few years but see the people who oppose coal in Australia also oppose the use of uranium.

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Macdonald -    Well it’s just a nonsensical argument and the more that hopefully parents can start talking to their children and say well look you might be right but bear in mind Australia emits less than 1.2%. I’m a great friend of the South Pacific, I’ve recently taken a Parliamentary Delegation there and people are worried over there about tidal inundation but as I say to them, I won’t enter into whether man’s emissions is causing that, but don’t blame Australia because we emit less than 1.2%

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Macdonald -     Look I like those Pacific Island nations, they’re wonderful nations, wonderful people and we as Australians do try to help them and we should.  But they’re not dills if they can get on the climate change bandwagon they’ll use that to get a bit more money from everyone and anyone. Australia is already very generous to those countries for all the right reasons. I do accept that there are some tidal surges in places and we do have to help them prepare for those eventualities but to relate it to emissions of carbon and man causing this climate change I think is ludicrous

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Macdonald -    Well look I despair of the influence unions have in certain sectors.  Now you know the figures.  Of all workers in the Australian workforce only 17% choose to join a union.

In the private sector 12% but in the public service, i.e. teachers it’s 44% and so you know the teachers are part of the union movement, the union movement controls the ALP and the ALP in government is made up of all unionists so it’s hard to think that the Teachers Union will allow their members to actually tell the truth on the climate change debate. Without going again as I say into the technical issues of what’s causing it, the teachers should be saying to children well look some say this is bad but Australia is not the problem because we emit less than 1.2% and when the rest of the world do it then that’s when Australia should act.

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Macdonald -    That’s my pleasure

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